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	<description>BPM-блог Анатолия Белайчука</description>
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		<title>Автор: Anatoly Belychook</title>
		<link>https://mainthing.ru/ru/item/396/#comment-1316</link>
		<dc:creator>Anatoly Belychook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 06:06:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, Wahyu

The key question - is a thing that executes 100000 times per hour a business process? It's a matter of definition of course, one may get very different answers from a system integrator and a business analyst. The latter would probably say that business is essentially a human thing. Therefore there are good reasons to treat straight-through processes and long-lasting business processes differently and to use different tools tools in particular just like you said.

As for the article, it was just a fun and pure theoretical challenge, not a solution for realmtask indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, Wahyu</p>
<p>The key question - is a thing that executes 100000 times per hour a business process? It&#8217;s a matter of definition of course, one may get very different answers from a system integrator and a business analyst. The latter would probably say that business is essentially a human thing. Therefore there are good reasons to treat straight-through processes and long-lasting business processes differently and to use different tools tools in particular just like you said.</p>
<p>As for the article, it was just a fun and pure theoretical challenge, not a solution for realmtask indeed.</p>
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		<title>Автор: Wahyu</title>
		<link>https://mainthing.ru/ru/item/396/#comment-1314</link>
		<dc:creator>Wahyu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 00:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The interpreted vs. coeiplmd debate has been going on for a long time now. I think at any given point in time, the compilers have a very good argument because they can find situations where a higher degree of performance is required.  Even in the BPM world, if I can imagine a process that executes 10,000 times an hour, you can just imagine that same process at Wal-mart to picture that process running 10,000,000 times an hour! However, the right design decisions for software are not judged by a single point in time, these decisions are judged over time  and over time, the interpreters have a lot working in their favor  I think having a good representation is actually more important than having the most performant one at any given point in time</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The interpreted vs. coeiplmd debate has been going on for a long time now. I think at any given point in time, the compilers have a very good argument because they can find situations where a higher degree of performance is required.  Even in the BPM world, if I can imagine a process that executes 10,000 times an hour, you can just imagine that same process at Wal-mart to picture that process running 10,000,000 times an hour! However, the right design decisions for software are not judged by a single point in time, these decisions are judged over time  and over time, the interpreters have a lot working in their favor  I think having a good representation is actually more important than having the most performant one at any given point in time</p>
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		<title>Автор: Anatoly Belychook</title>
		<link>https://mainthing.ru/ru/item/396/#comment-849</link>
		<dc:creator>Anatoly Belychook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Jan 2011 04:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alberto

Of course it's no more than excercise that leaves plenty of room for improvements/variants/refinements.

Totally agree with your last point.

Kind regards
Anatoly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alberto</p>
<p>Of course it&#8217;s no more than excercise that leaves plenty of room for improvements/variants/refinements.</p>
<p>Totally agree with your last point.</p>
<p>Kind regards<br />
Anatoly</p>
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		<title>Автор: Albertto Manuel</title>
		<link>https://mainthing.ru/ru/item/396/#comment-847</link>
		<dc:creator>Albertto Manuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 18:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anatoly:

Like the approach, but if I was the cruiser's commander I would like guidance and control algorithms working when the shot misses the target providing feedback target tracking pool.

This kind of process presentation, and this particular one, provides very clear idea how a process is structured. It was considered that there is few human interaction. But but if there were more, would be possible to draw real time collaboration on a crisis situation? I remembered some utilities processes when there is a supply disruption started by system alarm, or by epidemic phone calls from the customer and these ones are quite difficult to do because there are only a sequence of big steps it can be mapped.

Nowadays I see BPMN more suited to present the big picture rather that going deeply to the tasks detail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anatoly:</p>
<p>Like the approach, but if I was the cruiser&#8217;s commander I would like guidance and control algorithms working when the shot misses the target providing feedback target tracking pool.</p>
<p>This kind of process presentation, and this particular one, provides very clear idea how a process is structured. It was considered that there is few human interaction. But but if there were more, would be possible to draw real time collaboration on a crisis situation? I remembered some utilities processes when there is a supply disruption started by system alarm, or by epidemic phone calls from the customer and these ones are quite difficult to do because there are only a sequence of big steps it can be mapped.</p>
<p>Nowadays I see BPMN more suited to present the big picture rather that going deeply to the tasks detail.</p>
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		<title>Автор: Scott</title>
		<link>https://mainthing.ru/ru/item/396/#comment-845</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 02:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kudos for working Star Wars and BPMN into the same post :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos for working Star Wars and BPMN into the same post <img src='https://mainthing.ru/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Автор: AS</title>
		<link>https://mainthing.ru/ru/item/396/#comment-844</link>
		<dc:creator>AS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Dec 2010 15:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anatoly,

Yes, some exception handling is missing. 

Concerning "target lifecycle" - I considered it at the beginning (as the specs insisted) but later I preferred to handle targets ONLY by "CENTER-tracking" process (actually by only ONE instance) for better encapsulation (and elimination of doubles). As the result, a separate target-lifecycle process was not necessary as we can obtain all events.

Thanks and a Happy New Year.
AS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anatoly,</p>
<p>Yes, some exception handling is missing. </p>
<p>Concerning &#8220;target lifecycle&#8221; - I considered it at the beginning (as the specs insisted) but later I preferred to handle targets ONLY by &#8220;CENTER-tracking&#8221; process (actually by only ONE instance) for better encapsulation (and elimination of doubles). As the result, a separate target-lifecycle process was not necessary as we can obtain all events.</p>
<p>Thanks and a Happy New Year.<br />
AS</p>
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		<title>Автор: Anatoly Belychook</title>
		<link>https://mainthing.ru/ru/item/396/#comment-843</link>
		<dc:creator>Anatoly Belychook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:49:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alexander

Sorry I can't see the requirement d) implemented in your diagram.

Another difference is the absence of target lifecycle in your diagram: one can't directly analyze e.g. the average time targets have been tracked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alexander</p>
<p>Sorry I can&#8217;t see the requirement d) implemented in your diagram.</p>
<p>Another difference is the absence of target lifecycle in your diagram: one can&#8217;t directly analyze e.g. the average time targets have been tracked.</p>
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		<title>Автор: AS</title>
		<link>https://mainthing.ru/ru/item/396/#comment-842</link>
		<dc:creator>AS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 18:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My version -- http://improving-bpm-systems.blogspot.com/2010/12/re-bpmn-in-outer-space.html

Thanks,
AS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My version &#8212; <a href="http://improving-bpm-systems.blogspot.com/2010/12/re-bpmn-in-outer-space.html" rel="nofollow">http://improving-bpm-systems.blogspot.com/2010/12/re-bpmn-in-outer-space.html</a></p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
AS</p>
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