Комментарии к записи: Базовое допущение BPMN 1: вся информация сохраняется https://mainthing.ru/ru/item/569/ BPM-блог Анатолия Белайчука Sun, 19 Apr 2026 09:08:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 Автор: Дмитрий Бацюро https://mainthing.ru/ru/item/569/#comment-1577 Дмитрий Бацюро Fri, 04 Jan 2013 11:26:40 +0000 http://mainthing.ru/?p=569#comment-1577 Esteban, there is a lot of unstructured or poorly structured data around us. But to bring an appropriate result of a business process, the data within it must become structured to the needed degree at some point. This may happen right along with the data input at the entry of the process, or within this very process. But if you do not manage to conquer the chaos of data within the process, you can not guarantee the quality of the process itself and of the result the process is intended for. Thus, as I get it, Anatoly said, that once you have obtained some structured data either from outside or by working over some unstructured data gained from the outside, it is implied that you alway have room where to store the result in the context of the process's instance, so that it could be used later by the process. Also, you might say that sometimes one has to make decisions based on fussy logic, that is, on come uncertain data. I say: yes, but this case relates more to expert systems natively based on fussy logic. Deem them as "business rules management" layer for you BPM system, and the latter then obtains some structured decision for forking the workflow. Esteban, there is a lot of unstructured or poorly structured data around us. But to bring an appropriate result of a business process, the data within it must become structured to the needed degree at some point. This may happen right along with the data input at the entry of the process, or within this very process. But if you do not manage to conquer the chaos of data within the process, you can not guarantee the quality of the process itself and of the result the process is intended for. Thus, as I get it, Anatoly said, that once you have obtained some structured data either from outside or by working over some unstructured data gained from the outside, it is implied that you alway have room where to store the result in the context of the process’s instance, so that it could be used later by the process. Also, you might say that sometimes one has to make decisions based on fussy logic, that is, on come uncertain data. I say: yes, but this case relates more to expert systems natively based on fussy logic. Deem them as “business rules management” layer for you BPM system, and the latter then obtains some structured decision for forking the workflow.

]]> Автор: Esteban Kolsky https://mainthing.ru/ru/item/569/#comment-1576 Esteban Kolsky Thu, 03 Jan 2013 14:15:47 +0000 http://mainthing.ru/?p=569#comment-1576 In regards to your comment "All information is stored" - I have a small disagreement with it. True, until not long ago that was the case, but then social happened. and with it, the deluge of data and noise that brought with it, and the impossibility to both store it all (it would never get used and is a total waste) and process it in real-time (thus the birth of "Big Data" or i should say rediscovery). The reason i am bringing this is because we are starting the path where no data will be stored (or very little actually) as the internet of things, big data, and real-time processing become more and more utilized. everything is stored today, probably - but a large amount of it is useless, and most of what we will use in the (very) near future won't be stored. sorry, time to change your assumptions... Esteban In regards to your comment “All information is stored” - I have a small disagreement with it.

True, until not long ago that was the case, but then social happened. and with it, the deluge of data and noise that brought with it, and the impossibility to both store it all (it would never get used and is a total waste) and process it in real-time (thus the birth of “Big Data” or i should say rediscovery).

The reason i am bringing this is because we are starting the path where no data will be stored (or very little actually) as the internet of things, big data, and real-time processing become more and more utilized.

everything is stored today, probably - but a large amount of it is useless, and most of what we will use in the (very) near future won’t be stored.

sorry, time to change your assumptions…

Esteban

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